What Is Really In The NDAA Regarding Indefinite Detention Without Trial, Even Of Americans?

Glenn Greenwald debunks three myths:

  • Myth #1: This bill does not codify indefinite detention
  • Myth #2: The bill does not expand the scope of the War on Terror as defined by the 2001 AUMF
  • Myth #3: U.S. citizens are exempted from this new bill

Go. Read. Your future freedom from indefinite detention without charge or trial may depend on it. Obama threatens to outdo himself yet again in pursuit of the worst civil liberties record in the history of the American presidency. Yes, the very worst. To date, one could argue, FDR’s internment of Japanese Americans was comparable in nature, but it was for a limited time. Obama’s detentions could well be for life. You tell me that is not worse? You must be outta your friggin’ mind!

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  • L’Enfant de la Haute Mer  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 3:23 am

    because you have allowed too many people inside and now you need to fabricate a new sharp criterion in order to separate the wheat from the chaff….

    It was once the communists … Now it is the terrorists.
    McCarthy was an angel.

    Literally: the complete Orwelization of language and private life on planet Earth!!

    Warsaw protester launches drone to spy on police 😆 :


    • Steve  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 11:21 am

      Ha! And the company that made the drone is called… I am not kidding… “Robokopter”! (“Is that you in there, Murphy?”) 😆

  • L’Enfant de la Haute Mer  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    not so much to my taste, but…

    • Steve  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      Enfant, I spent a whole career avoiding the consequences of hacking by malicious or greedy hackers against my clients. It is difficult for me to comprehend how a group of hackers can actually benefit society. And I am not yet convinced that Anonymous is wholly benevolent. Certainly, their calling for the original Occupy Wall Street is to their credit, though Occupy may have turned out as it did for reasons that have nothing to do with hacking or hackers.

      That said, like Anonymous, I’m not big on the notion of forgiveness. All the powerful people depriving us and the world of fundamental rights and liberties should stand trial for what they have done. No excuses, no “let’s move forward” … at least not from me.

  • L’Enfant de la Haute Mer  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I cannot but agree..
    I also find this kind of hidden faces and flat robotic voice somehow ‘fascist’..

    • Steve  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 3:14 pm

      Enfant, what puzzles me is the choice of Guy Fawkes masks… Guy Fawkes is not remembered as a “good guy”; he was more a terrorist, and besides, his plot was foiled… Remember, remember, the Fifth of November and all that stuff. If one is going to do white-hat hacking, that hardly seems the image one would choose.

      The voices are probably filtered through software available off the shelf in most computer stores here. They are surely an affectation, and have no real significance.

  • jams o donnell (Shaun Downey)  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    A new war declared? This time on America’s own citizens?

    • Steve  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 3:18 pm

      Well, Shaun, IMNSHO, yes, it is a signal of what America’s government now can… and at some point will… do to those of us who are “uppity.” And with these (surely unconstitutional) laws in place, they won’t even have to lynch us… though they may do that just for fun, and for additional threat value.

  • jams o donnell (Shaun Downey)  On Friday December 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    On a lighter point have a great christmas

    • Steve  On Saturday December 24, 2011 at 10:52 am

      Thanks, Shaun, and a happy Christmas to you and your family!

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