Obama’s Civil Liberties Record, Animated

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  • L’Enfant de la Haute Mer  On Wednesday December 21, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Fascist America, in 10 easy steps,
    Tuesday 24 April 2007

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment#article_continue

    not that long ago ……

    • Steve  On Wednesday December 21, 2011 at 6:22 pm

      Indeed, Enfant, Naomi Wolf herself was recently arrested on the streets of New York, wearing evening dress, as she waited outside an event to which she had a formal invitation, because there were Occupy Wall Street protesters nearby. She is surely not pleased that her predictions are coming true, but the reality is that America’s democracy is disintegrating into… that wonderful word of yours… democtatorship. Even a native New Yorker such as Wolf, minding her own business on the streets of her home town, can now be arrested for… what shall we call it… “proximity to an Occupation”?

  • L’Enfant de la Haute Mer  On Thursday December 22, 2011 at 2:10 am

    Steve,
    Democracy is progressing by big steps .. globally!!
    Almost galloping!!

    Leading surveillance societies in the EU and the World:
    https://www.privacyinternational.org/article/leading-surveillance-societies-eu-and-world-2006

    Also:
    “Under Tony Blair, the definition of civil liberties which had prevailed under the Labour governments of the 1960s and 1970s became far more elastic.
    Safeguarding individual and minority rights against the application of state power had been an article of faith of several generations of mainstream Labour politicians. ..”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4838684.stm

    • Steve  On Thursday December 22, 2011 at 9:20 am

      So, Enfant, according to that map, Canada is the best place to be for rights and liberties, followed by Greece? I am surprised that the US is not in the worst category, but perhaps there is some compensatory adjustment for its history… although that, too, is pretty grim; the ACLU (founded in 1920, near my late father’s birthday) has never had any shortage of challenges to take on, from its very beginning.

      I suppose all things pass, but some things, including democracy and privacy, are more to be lamented than others.

  • MandT  On Thursday December 22, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Ireland and Australia were surprises.

    • Steve  On Thursday December 22, 2011 at 10:44 pm

      MandT, I don’t know about Ireland, but were you really surprised by Australia? If you follow Kryten over on Bryan’s threads, you’ll know that there is much to complain about in Aus. I once worked with a somewhat upper-crust Aussie; her attitudes toward civil liberties was horrifying.

      If you’re Aussie, and your ancestry goes back enough generations, and you’re not indigenous, then you are descended from British criminals!

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